Sound Of Metal
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Metal is the feature debut of writer-director Darius Marder, who is probably best known for penning the script for 2012's The Place Beyond the Pines, and though its measured unfurling requires a certain kind of endurance, he trusts his story enough not to rush or make it showy. There's an intimately lived-in quality to the film that feels almost documentary, even as it uses editing and sound design to ingenuously mark the widening gulf between Ruben's hushed interior world and the frenetic, clanging one outside of him.
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Anita RaoI'm Anita Rao. What does it sound like to lose your hearing [Plays clip from \"Sound of Metal\"] At first, it was something This is Embodied, our show tackling sex, relationships and your health. I'm Anita Rao. Stories about deafness and hearing loss are rarely taken on by Hollywood, which is why the Oscar nominated film \"Sound of Metal\" has gotten a lot of attention. It tells the story of Ruben, a heavy metal drummer who loses his hearing. Reuben learns American Sign Language and goes through the process of getting cochlear implants. The film has received both praise and critique for its representation of deaf and hard of hearing communities, including from some of the folks you're about to meet today. With me now is Yat Li, an advocate and creator of the YouTube channel \"Let There Be Ears.\" Yat, welcome to the show.
Oh, we're not hearing your sound. We're just working through that technical issue. But while we do that, I'll just tell everyone that today's show can also be found as a visual broadcast on the WUNC Facebook page. So Yat, let me start with you. I'd love to know a bit about the emotional experience for you of watching the film. Like I mentioned in the billboard, I watched it with my partner who himself is hard of hearing. And he went through a big emotional roller coaster while watching. Tell me a bit about what it was like for you...
Anita RaoSo that was my partner John talking about his experience watching the film \"Sound of Metal,\" and Amanda, you are a filmmaker. So there's been a lot of conversation about the soundscape of this movie, how they portray the experience of losing hearing and all of the sounds that can be a part of that experience. I think for hearing folks, we don't realize that there is a lot of sound still left when you lose your hearing. It's not totally silent. So what did you make of the soundscape of the film And how how that was portrayed
This is Embodied broadcasting from the American Tobacco Historic District. I'm Anita Rao. If you're looking for a movie with deaf and heard-of-hearing characters playing leading roles, well, you may come up with a short list. Hearing loss has been underrepresented in our media landscape or often misrepresented when it does appear. But the Oscar-nominated film \"Sound of Metal\" has renewed some of these conversations about representation. It tells a story of a heavy metal drummer who loses his hearing. We're talking today with three members of the deaf and hard of hearing community about what the film did well, and what could have been better. Here with me is Yat Li, creator of the YouTube channel \"Let There Be Ears.\" Destiny Lopez, a multimedia storyteller, creative strategist and educator. And Amanda Murray, a filmmaker and the creator of RetroMurray productions.
This is Embodied, I'm Anita Rao. Representation matters, which is why the Oscar-nominated film \" Sound of Metal\" gained attention last year for its representation of hearing loss and deaf characters. But an equally important conversation is happening parallel to the film about accessibility. Because while representation is one step, captioning and other visual representations of sound go a long way in making media accessible. Here to talk with me about \"Sound of Metal\" and media accessibility is Yat Li, creator of the YouTube channel \"Let There Be Ears.\" Destiny Lopez, a multimedia storyteller, creative strategist and educator, and Amanda Murray, a filmmaker and the creator of RetroMurray productions. Today's show can also be found as a visual broadcast on the W UNC Facebook page. So Amanda, I just want to let you finish your thought you were talking about your experience at Gallaudet, which is a private university in DC that was founded for the education of deaf and hard-of-hearing folks.
Destiny LopezYeah, definitely. Creative captioning is something that I'm really pushing for. I love it. And you can actually see that it's been done already without the intention for the deaf community, just people do it, because they do realize that it can add to a film. If you watch things like Sherlock Holmes with Benedict Cumberbatch, like sometimes his thoughts will show up on the screen. And then there's others. There's a show that was being developed with Open TV in Chicago, and they would, you know, add, whenever you get a text message, it might pop up on the screen. So rather than saying the text message, you can actually see that text message and read it. So we're already doing these things creatively. And I was just hoping that that could be expanded more and more so throughout the process of the development of the film, rather than as, like you said, a post-production afterthought. Usually when it is a post-production afterthought, it's done by like a tech person who may or may not have a hearing loss, usually they do not. The director isn't around to be like I needed this sound emphasized rather than that sound. So his or her image may not be accurate, or something may not be emphasized in the way that it needs to be. So if we were to take that process and start it from the beginning, not only do we the opportunity to get extra creative and to add to our film,, to add to the theme or the emotions that you want to feel, we will also probably save time, save money and then a more accurate portrayal of the original creator's intention.
Anita RaoThat's interesting you mentioned that because one of the critiques I read they also mentioned that there was a lot of use of kind of blurring the background, and so you would be really focused in on Ruben and the ASL would be blurred in the background, so you couldn't really read it or experience it fully. So Yat, I would love to shift a little bit here to talk about music. Obviously, music is a big part of this film. Ruben is a heavy metal drummer. He has a passion for music. And his big fear when he loses his hearing is that that can no longer be a part of his life until he gets the surgery. And there are various ways the film plays with him experimenting with developing a new relationship with music. There's a scene where he and a deaf kid are both on either sides of a metal slide and both kind of feeling the vibrations of the slide. How did you feel about how music was portrayed And was it accurate in terms of the role that music can play in the lives of people who are deaf and hard of hearing
Anita RaoYeah, I am not a heavy metal fan. So at the beginning, I was like: Am I going to be able to finish this film It is so loud and the music is so intense! Destiny, do you feel like this film accomplished the goal of being a film made for both a hearing audience and an audience that is deaf and hard of hearing Or do you feel like it's, it's actually catered more towards one or the other
Destiny LopezYeah somebody else asked me this question. And I will say that I lean towards the latter. I think that although it's a great representation of our community, I do believe that the setup of it was to be experienced by hearing viewers, because while I was watching it, I did, like the captions did a great job of portraying, you know, one sound might be muffled or one sound might be loud. But regardless of how the captions portrayed it, I cannot hear what the difference was in the sound experimentation, because I'm deaf. You know what I mean That's the end of it. But there are like, I did recommend the film to like my hearing friends and family, so that they could get a better idea of how I hear in comparison to what they hear. So while it wasn't made for me, I do appreciate that it was sort of this new resource of allyship that I could share with other people. So while it was for the hearing audience, I'm okay with that, because of what it will add to my experience.
Amanda MurrayYeah, actually, there's a film company called ASL Films that makes movies specifically for the deaf community. They, every dialogue in their movies are completely in sign language. They have captions. And there's no, there's no sound in those movies. And so those movies are specifically created for deaf people. Most of the community don't really know about those movies, or about that film company, because you know, it is a niche audience admittedly. But honestly, I often recommend those movies made by ASL Films to hearing people because without the sound and with the sign language, it actually can give a relatively good look into what life as a deaf person is really like. There's no sound. Everybody's communicating through sign language. There's a lot of body movement. And so, you know, but movies made by Hollywood, though, I wouldn't say yet that there any movies that have really been made with deaf people in mind. There have been some movies that are a little bit better than others at representation. But made for deaf people No, not really. 59ce067264
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